she concluded. The takedown of Tom James is three years in the making. But its that same street fighter that then continues to do all of those other horrible things. Look at how Catherine [Meyer, played by Sarah Sutherland] responded to her mothers death she brought in margaritas! We started talking about a very sort of Selina Meyer-esque ending, which is that she gets bumped off the front page by a better funeral. Because I believe he wanted to know. Like she instinctively yelled out for Gary and then realizes it. But it really is impossible, he says. The very first Labor Day in the country was celebrated in 1882, and it became an official federal holiday in 1894. I guess in some ways he has no choice. ", Hale also had difficulty in keeping his emotions in check as he came to grips with the finality of the moment, both on- and off-camera. The gut-punch of a betrayal played out in the present-day ending of Sundays series finale, which then jumped ahead 24 years to former President Meyers funeral. On the contrary. I only would be less interested if Trump was the writer. For this rotted-out soul, was it all worth it?This is my honest opinion. Except the desired outcome would be the opposite: wed be holding our breath to see if Jonah would escape danger but wed be super upset and disappointed each time he survived, MANDEL RESPONDS: Thatd be very funny, he says of having a Carrie-type crier. People started laughing, and then it just started that kind of rolling laughter, because youd watched nine shows of very clean, normal clips, and then all of a sudden Julia just called down hellfire. But in a career of amoral political moves, and especially in a recent tornado of decisions that saw her cravenly crave a return to the Oval Office at all costsselling out her daughter Catherine (Sarah Sutherland) by outlawing same-sex marriage, selling out Tibet by secretly okaying a Chinese invasion, selling out America by choosing dangerous dolt Jonah (Timothy Simons) as her VPit definitively answered the question that was thematically draped over the season: How far will Selina go to get what she wants? Even though he had a kernel of love for her, he spent so much of his time just trying to please in this codependent love, and the result of that is never good. I think hed love to go to restaurants and be able to eat, but Im not quite sure hed have a lot to say. His take? MANDEL RESPONDS: Its interesting. He wouldve been her type. Whats not in Garys bag. The three-day weekend it falls on is called Labor Day Weekend.. Beginning in the late 19th century, as the trade union and labor movements grew . What hes really saying to her there is just some version of, You know how to be horrible enough to do what needs to be done. Hes sort of saying, Go on out there little girl and unleash the horrors. Theres a wonderful moment, Anna just sells the hell out of it. Gary and Selina were He does do more than fetch my hand lotion. How did you and Louis-Dreyfus approach how to play the scene? He does like the intellectual exercise of imagining how the show could be done without TV-MA language. I think he definitely saw her in a different light and I think Selinas legacy is a trail of sadness. How did you get her to return? She had given into that much of her selfishness and narcissism. Thats whats so great about our show we have a lot of rehearsal time. Gary was complicit in this hideous relationship in which he chased affection and validation that was never available. Hes the same guy just a little grayer here and there, maybe a little tanner. We definitely liked the idea of what he went into was interesting. It was a sadistic death blow. In spite of everything she did, you get the sense that if that coffin opened up and she said, Get me a tea, he kind of would. Garys got a lot of secrets. They bring up that something happened to the point where Gary will never speak of it and it stops Selina's rage mid-sentence. Any kind of obscenities that have been thrown at him from her, he just doesnt hear it. Origins of Labor Day. Shes not one to examine her own feelings, but is she sad, angry, and disgusted at herself for turning on Gary and on everyone and everything else?The great thing about my job these last four years is, I get to write very simple things or talk to Julia about very simple concepts and go, Now play that. Then she does four million things with her face and I get to sit back and revel in it. But you saw that tinge of humanity in her that made her sad. When did you decide to play that devastating card, and how did you decide that she would stoop that low?I refer to it in the [writers] room a little bit as the Fredo moment [from The Godfather Part II], for many reasons, but also just the lovingness and the loyalty of poor Fredo and, of course, of poor Gary Originally that was not happening. When we see him, hes not looking so great. Hes done outrageous things for her and nothing has yet snapped him out of it. I think he might view Selina with a little more empathy and compassion. April 16, 2023. "His devotion to her was so evident in those final moments, with the lipstick," she says. this link is to an external site that may or may not meet accessibility guidelines. Sufe Bradshaw returned as Sue to the White House, which was a feel-good surprise in a brutal episode. And as we started doing this season, we werent trying to be greedy, but I wrote down this idea that wed end up back in the Oval and Sue would be there. Did you ever consider revealing exactly what happened on Labor Day, or is it one of those things that the answer will never be as satisfying as the speculation and your own imagination?I love that everyone has a theory. What we just spoke about is obviously all of Garys story. I really do love Mike becoming the Walter Cronkite, the most trusted man in America. She's like, 'I'm going out looking good!'". Labor Day represented the "reentry" into city life and the retirement of white summer clothes after a summer of leisure for the upper classes, Steele says. ", The flash-forward to the funeral gave glimpses of how everyone in Selina's orbit turned out: Jonah (Timothy Simons) was impeached! Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from. The 45-minute propulsive finale didnt finish there, though; it jumped 24 years into the future, to Selinas funeral. Mandel thinks Jamies read was correct: I think she only really tried to do good if she thought it was politically expedient. Subscribe for full access to The Hollywood Reporter. So that was tricky. Its not what comes later when shes alone but its that moment of, its like a chill runs down your body because you get the sense that a little chill is running down her. And was there ever talk of making him Selinas VP in the present day, as his political career was accelerating super fast in the final season?Its funny, Ive seen both the Richard becomes her VP or somebodys VP at the convention. It would have just had less of the footage of The Money Pit and whatnot. Then there was that look on Gary's face. That cant hit her until the White House. We police that and try to not have that, so that when you do get a chance to say f*** its a very special f***., Does the language make it difficult to choose clips to use at awards shows? So I like that thats the way he heard it. Maybe that will be the next Veep spin well do a Christmas Carol thing with Selina and shell be visited by all the ghosts and the ghost of Christmas past will show her what shes done to Gary. I mean, its all new people. By the late 19th century, the Industrial Revolution had made working life miserable for people around the world. And what were the alts that didnt make it? "That is the end result.". Im excited to see what ideas he has. What Selina did was the biggest gift to Gary, because thats the only thing that would have broken the cycle for him, Hale now tells The Hollywood Reporter. I feel like the real road not taken for him wouldve been like a childrens dentist. I started to wonder why Selina Meyer was being punished. And it makes me laugh to no end. Some part of me almost wondered that had she asked him, he actually might have been willing to do it. When push comes to shove, shes a scorpion. Everyone roots for her., As for the naysayers, their position was summed up by Jamie Burgess: No. Selina Meyer and Gary Walsh, as dysfunctional as their relationship may be, are a beloved duo onVeep. I enjoyed it just because of the fun and the silliness of all the different time periods and all that kind of stuff, the chance to do sort of the Gilbert and Sullivan musical, and that kind of a thing.. He legitimately was there to say goodbye. Read on to see how fans answered Mandels queries, as well as his reactions to the most popular responses (including the Labor Day theories he shot down). I think those are two old souls that would really enjoy each others company.. If you did your job and stayed quiet, I think Ben would be harsh, but he would be relatively fair. We, I dont want to say padded, because my guess is he could end up with more. I dont think Selina saw it as a gift, but in terms of his life, it was probably the biggest gift. The First Labor Day. Not sensing any approaching doom, Gary asked if she wanted coffee from across the street and pointed out that it was a chia seed in her mouth. Warning: This story contains plot details from Sunday's series finale of Veep. He really did deeply, deeply care for her. He was the one who believed the most in the purity and potential of government. That it wasnt just like a movie, that we could license the clips, that it was going to land on his desk. Gary is constantly getting beat up, so anytime theres an opportunity for a blowup where he can actually express himself, Im in. Oh, yeah. Despite becoming President, she is paying a price. Was the attitude in the writers room this season one of The cruelty, ignorance and hypocrisy in this world needs an equal and opposite force more than ever, or was it Its our last season, so lets adopt a scorched Earth policy, or maybe a bit of both?I go for a little bit of both, and Ill throw a third thing in. The Federal Labor Day Holiday Is Created. And I do think in some ways getting away from her mother was the best thing that ever happened to her. (An earlier version of the script had him saying that she looked stunning.) Press J to jump to the feed. I guess that would be a real problem. Did you feel the weight of it while you were shooting it? The truth is, shed done so many horrible things over the course of [the show], you had to dig deep to make it real. But the series finale of the HBO political comedy put Gary front and center in a devastating way. If I dont go crazily in, then it invalidates the previous decision. She was all in. She just thought that Amy wouldve liked the cut of his jib. And my guess is it was a similar sort of financial campaign thing. MANDEL RESPONDS: He was shocked his personal pick, Amy, got no votes. Hes definitely not meant for prison. We actually had another scene that we wrote and shot of Jonah in the EEOB that ultimately fell out, of seeing him as vice president in that office. I've always assumed he was talking about finding her trash and whatever horrifying thing that was in it. He has no clue what is about to happen as they celebrate her nomination. Selina wasnt a robot. He knows all the skeletons. You dont really want Selina to be president, you kind of want Julia to be president. Yes. But it feels pretty definitive. Hes got huge rose-colored glasses on. says the actress. The coming to terms with what youve done and what you did is somewhat horrific. Ni dung chnh. In some interesting, weird way, Im almost curious as to what he wouldve done had she actually asked him. It was just covered with a lot of dysfunction. Richard (Sam Richardson) became a two-term POTUS! I kind of love that. Thats just a horrific job. I like to think its a credit to Armando [Iannucci, the shows creator] and the previous writers, and my current writers, that we can make you root for a terrible person. Do you agree? Early in the season, you gave us a tantalizing and terrifying clue about Labor Day, one in which we learned that it was not a day but a boat, which sends the brain to awful places, along the lines of Natalie Wood or Chappaquiddick. Thats a hard one. They were putting those two things together and thinking that education is bad, and Im sorry, I think thats wrong. On a personal note, Mandel says the Rizzoli & Isles writers were wonderful neighbors. Their only daughter, Catherine Meyer, was born in 1994. Why would she want to be separated from me? So obviously the favor was, Do you want a coffee? Because thats always been the favor. I always catered it to Gary just treating what she was saying as an everyday request and never considering what she was really asking. She really respects him, shes worked with him [on Seinfeld]. Veep: Inside the final days of TVs smartest and filthiest comedy Veep stars choose their all-time favorite scenes Watch Veep star Timothy Simons read unaired Jonah insults. Oh my God, he could end up as Its sort of like she had put it to bed and realizes now it could be even realer, and then realizing, Oh. [Laughs. I think he has forgiven her. Every single night he does it just to be prepared for the next day. And obviously, I understand why especially in the seven-episode structure, his rise was perhaps even more meteoric than it would have been in the ten-episode structure. So, when she first mentioned Gary, theres just this subtle thing on her face thats just so wonderful. He had all the designer clothes and was always clean-shaven, because God forbid he look like crap compared to her. She has been riding that thing, and its brought up a lot though obviously her anger at Selena, and all of those things. April 19 2015, 7:57 PM PDT. He just keeps bouncing back to this dysfunction. This is, you know it's roadkill." And you got to us, and it was the clip of Selina yelling at Penny Nickerson from Congressional Ball, and she just tears into her and her dress, and how shes gonna shake her district like a nanny from South America, and up her husbands ass with cancer, all this stuff. What do you imagine happened to him in prison? Has he forgiven her? Its so fun to work with somebody whos on the same page. It was lovely that he came to New York for the premiere, and obviously, hes busy with [upcoming HBO space comedy Avenue 5]. We both agreed that it held a tremendous amount of weight [if we didnt know]. Those are the favors. Catherine told her mother that shed never forgive her for agreeing to ban same-sex marriage, and then we saw her watch her funeral at home with Marjorie [Clea DuVall], which indicated estrangement. I kind of love that. TVLINE | What was your reaction when you got the script and read the fight scene? Though she was fatally shot by the president of her fan club in 1995, the 23-year-old was able to accomplish some huge feats - from being credited with catapulting Latin music into the . The Murder of Selena occured on March 31, 1995 after Selena was shot to death by Yolanda Saldivar (who was the president of her fan club) Selena's death received international attention and the public reaction to it was compared to those that followed the deaths of John Lennon, Elvis Presley and John F. Kennedy. And we went back and forth on a lot of other things. On Sunday night, the series finale of HBO's Emmy-winning, cynical-to-its-corroded-core comedy answered: To hell. When watching Veep, Tony Hale can perennially be spotted over the shoulder of Julia Louis-Dreyfus starring character Selina Meyer. Louis-Dreyfus uses the words "pretty intense" to describe that moment. Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. They were very lovely, we miss them, and my mom loved the show, he says. And yeah, anybody who thought she should be president wasnt maybe paying attention the way they should have been. Thats throughout your life, if thats what youre going to invest in the world, and thats the end of your life. When he would give her what she needed. Labor Day's origins go much deeper than backyard barbecues and picnics. Jess remembered that Selina cares for horses, an indication she does have a heart. She roots for Selina because she is unapologetically female in a mans world. In many other countries May Day serves a similar purpose. Season 2, episode 7. Given Garys history with Selina that breakup, the Labor Day event, the mysterious garbage bags and so much more was this new level of depravity totally unexpected? "There's not an authentic foundation there. And then the past four years before she died, he was out. They sent us something when we won the Emmy. The more the phone rings, the more there are things to do, shes fine. It just was so stunning to hear the language in this giant ballroom at the Four Seasons. The Dan-Amy shippers that was never going to happen. There were a couple of comedies: Atlanta was in there, I think Better Call Saul had a very funny clip, because theyre a comedy-drama kind of a thing. You can read that gesture as closure, but not full forgiveness. And perhaps had she just made peace with Kemi [Toks Olagundoye] early on, a lot of this could have been avoided. CBS Evening News anchor Mike McLintock (! I pair that with how excited I am to be able to have had a full-circle moment in Veep, to show the beginning and an end and to walk through the whole journey and to have the whole arc of the series completed. [Laughs] In Garys world, I always had this vision that he comes home at night and says into a recordereverything that is in the bag. From Austin Butler and Cate Blanchett to a potential Best Supporting Actress toss-up, see who EW thinks will win at the 2023 Oscars. It didnt happen. Yes, unwitting Gary wound up serving as the fall guy for her scandals involving Chinese government election interference and the corrupted Meyer Fund. Klicken Sie auf Einstellungen verwalten um weitere Informationen zu erhalten und Ihre Einstellungen zu verwalten. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. ", "It was just f---ing fabulous!" Thats the wrong guy. Him seeing her just standing there, looking at whats happening, I knew, shes in on this. And yet, two-and-a-half decades later, Gary still showed up at Selina's funeral, looking haggard and war-torn. He knows all the secrets. I do think Gary is a much better version of himself during that funeral, definitely. Below, in a chat with THR, Hale digs into the shocking events of the series finale, reveals how he and Louis-Dreyfus went about filming the scene, and offers up a take that might just helpVeep viewers sleep at night when they think about Garys fate. So hell blow up at Dan or Jonah, but never Selina. We do spend a lot of time thinking about the fact that shes not 100 percent terrible at her job. And whose was the hardest to settle on?I most loved Richard being president, and I loved the three-state solution to the [Israeli-Palestinian] crisis, because even I as the writer have no idea what the third state is. Its just always been there., Amy (Anna Chlumsky) is so beyond driven to get Jonah elected, and shes relishing in her return to power, but then she reverses course. She just sent him to jail and knowing Selina, she's not going to get him out. We sort of got a little freaked out by what that meant, and Julia was in the middle of trying to get through to his agent, or any of those kinds of things, when all of a sudden, the response came back, and he was delighted and gave a big thumbs up. It was right after she finished her speech that the balloons came down, so I think we did that scene over and over just to make sure we got everything we needed before they did. I feel like the sun has set on her career., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Yes, 85 percent of people said theyd like to know what Gary and Selina were referring to in Season 4s legendary East Wing blowup when he yelled, Can you find somebody else who did what I did? and she responded, You mean on Labor Day? About half of those people, without provocation, also added that theyd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2s Shutdown. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained., MANDEL RESPONDS: I didnt know the trash bag was on their minds quite as much, but thats fascinating. Was the government shutdown in season 2 taking place during labor day? So the other nine, most of them were dramas. Louis-Dreyfus said she believed something crosses Selinas eyes of perhaps remorse and love for Gary in their goodbye. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. But near the end of Sunday's series finale, it all came crashing down in the show's darkest moment. Ninety-nine percent of fans said no, with most lamenting the would-be loss of the Season 5 episode C***gate and the series signature insults. (Laughs.) 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