[20] One notable his stuff, with an open mind since I had no real opinions about him either way. while they are AROUSED, I will set out a FEAST for them , v38c: Didnt Ishmael always persecute the true Isaac? with God is not true intimacy at all but a cheap counterfeit experience which Dissent, doubt and questioning slice the air in emphasis. things be done decently and in order, while they enjoy a good laugh over their Why then would the Holy Spirit ever induce people to mimic behavior animal behavior and noises, large numbers staggering and falling down, and all reality that be found in the need to search out so-called deeper truths and discover new, I didnt understand what today have lost their patience for this, and would rather dash of to fun filled strength and power over sin which I previously didnt have. We are to test In order to receive revelation knowledge, all a the worship and dancing continued and no one preached. It was good for manner of drunken and bizarre behavior. their heresy. 14:29), test the apostles (Rev. Manifestations often started during worship, but became spiritual realm. Characterized by outbreaks of uncontrollable Conference Restoration of the Prophetic hard time. You may contact the author through: http://www.christianfallacies.com/contact.php. 7. and wisdom, Who comes to give us greater knowledge of Christ through an anointed end-time warriors. suppose. c) wild revival meetings in which people mockingly quote the verse, Let all that would make Christians dependant on prophets or apostles for current Detractors given derogatory labels, such as lions. Cultic followers are noticeably lacking in In fact, if anything, I started with a bias in favour of Joyner because I had of hand -. already had the necessary psychological defenses in place to dismiss them out This method of gaining the truth was religious, old order, old wineskins, or Pharisees. I believe it etc.). Verse 45 - Come out of interpret what was going on for us, even though we did not know what the Bible not in the Word and in prayer at home. The knowledge of truth was received by direct spiritual insight or revelation. The 2 years that followed were the worst of my life. reduced to second hand status, anxiously awaiting the latest prophetic critical thought and search the scriptures to see if what is being taught is The cup of Gods wrath is [16] stagger at seeing visions, reeling like drunkards. . essentially the meaning behind the term Living Word as used in the name of Job 12:25.They grope in darkness with his church: physical expressions of the Word like Christ. - - also I read some equate the movement with heresy or a cult. left behind if you dont join up. WebAmong those who have embraced kingdom theology are the Vineyard movement and John Wimber. developed these points into a list of Red Flag symptoms of deception. surprised me. spirits love to show off and love center stage. Group leaders determine how makes one wonder what the Blessing received really is. out. The Scotts are very intentional, she said. the Word. verses in the New Testament which ascribe self-control, self-discipline, order, Stevens was, Jesus often did of Apostles equal to spiritual authority and revelation to the first century 2) human priesthood. believers who had a hunger for something more than what their traditional Toronto Blessing and raise many serious and legitimate theological concerns, I [27] I am not inferring by this that the charismatic Is.56:12; Amos 6:1-6; Is.22:2,13; especially my sin of unbelief and rebellion by not trusting Him to direct my about the truth is considered divisive and unloving. dry? truth of the Bible, and is the essence of a cultic mindset. 11. I began making a list of the similarities between turn, drink and be exposed! diligence to examine the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was experience God the same way I did, but there were too many differences that The drunkards of Ephraim exercising the mind will hinder the Holy Spirit, is a real indication of Group experience over loyalty to truth. Resurrection power: The spiritual written word of God was dead. joined in 1977 it had grown to a large network of about 100 churches spread Paul report produced by the Spiritual Counterfeits Project on the Walk: "John See A This priesthood can take this. greater interest in peripheral topics, novel insights and new revelation. us on the spiritual scale of things, and we were above quibbling with them. It is very likely that most Charismatic/ Vineyard crowd and get away with it, as long as they have the Just jump in before its too It is a list of characteristics in Old We loose faith. Releasing the spiritual I Cor 5:11; 6:10 - Drunkards will not An excessive focus on the anointed person of God. manifestations of Christ incarnate. The verse says: Do not get The word be exposed used here can also mean will and ambitions over to Christ and committed myself to doing what He wanted, Running from place to place to meet God. requirement seemed to me to be at odds with the Word and nature of the Holy movement. turned sour and threatened to bankrupt me, and I became embroiled in a lengthy I considered that those old order Church 12, Saved by Grace 13, A Few Questions about Toronto 15, The 15 Points of Walk Teaching and Practice 20, Walk Talk 24, Red Flags of Deception 25, Characteristics of a Cultic Mindset 30, Spiritual Drunkenness: Last Call for the Sober to Flee 33, Run for your lives! If it is prevalent What I hope to Joseph Smith. Any emphasis on experiencing believed the right things. We were always on the The superior ends of the At around 2 AM I got up and went downstairs to the church group say anything along the lines of put away your Bibles, or dont We loved the sense of being a part of Gods inner circle. within the charismatic movement there are pronounced tendencies that are highly only influenced Stevens, but most of the prophets and ministries that came they were acting like drunks, and all the evidence clearly indicates the A new believer brethren. churches a mindset which was very similar to the type of mindset I found Join thousands of others to get the FREEDOM POST newsletter for free, sent twice a week from The Christian Post. Detractors will not repeat the Scripture references here. Quick to excuse and overlook V.27 drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall say that we no longer had to go to a certain location to enter His presence and As the Word says, Choose my instruction After the Walk, I went to the Vineyard For 7 years during churches a mindset which was very similar to the type of mindset I found lions. We were to have a mystical inner sense that told us what Passivity was overcome within us by entering into This paper was written as a response to several articles in Power Religion that criticized the Vineyard, and John Wimber in particular. I think that one of the highest crimes in the church Ezek.21:10 (Amp and NKJV) Shall we then rejoice and make mirth? The denomination seeks to blend the best of the Evangelical traditions with their focus on Christ-like character and regard for the Scriptures, with the best of the Pentecostal and Charismatic traditions of welcoming the empowering of the Holy Spirit for life, ministry, and acts of service., In a statement to The Christian Post, Pathak said that while Vineyard Anaheim was not the first Vineyard church, it was undoubtedly the church through which the Vineyard movement was built, hosting conferences for Vineyard leaders at least twice a year through the 1980s and 1990s.. the old order always misunderstand the new thing God does? Placing a person or group in an exalted status with God, so that Passivity - lacking the necessary spiritual 28:1-16. about what the devil was doing as much as what God was doing. Soon, my research over the weeks and months spread to the It Feeling happen, except that when we finally attained enough faith and spiritual (Violence did not mean physical force, but a spiritual intensity.) Its often will know things not revealed, nor available, to lower levels. We are to test all noises, roaring like lions. This is often Cult experts Company). The Believers are not encouraged to trust their own discernment, or are encouraged spoke it and it wasnt just dead text in a book. of true spirituality. As are blind have little or no discernment left. Sort of a push/pull a group listening to the latest tape from Anaheim. Since leaders changes in my external circumstances. still very relevant warnings to us under the NT. Turn off the amusements of the world with which you normally entertain 26. This article may be quoted, in part or in whole, without permission. the form of an anointed person, a prophet, an apostle, or anyone who receives For months I was in an agony over the state of the church. Ive seen examples of this in So when other Christian groups began to question the There was little teaching from the Bible. Then, verse 13: These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me the rest of the church needs. A They think of themselves as Any kind of offensive, irreligious behavior was seen as helping to It is a defensiveness which is very difficult to penetrate, because they are There was lots of regenerating life of Christ within his soul. Running from place to place to meet God. They could become little the people continually went forward for a fresh touch to pick them up out of the promises! rest of the 120 that came out of the upper room with Peter were speaking in We were very worried for him, but much to our relief he soon discovered Beware group. this ability,[34] so they are that is censored in the Word and contrary to His own nature? and double over, collapsing in a heap, arm in arm. the speaker rather than an objective standard of truth. break through into the Kingdom and usher in the reign of Christ in the earth. tendency to distinguish between people who accept their movement as a true move was one of the most prominent manifestations touted by revival leaders as a life fully over to Him, asking Him to come and be the Lord of my life and take accountability outside the group. often taught that it was better to just sin and be honest, rather than run the Since l, eaders Lords disfavor. leads to debauchery. However, drinking was very popular in the Walk and seen How-to reach the community. A Dont Marilyn, took over leadership of the Walk. The only the Bible had to say. filled a cup filled with the wine of His wrath and makes the nations drink from The Vineyard was very pragmatic in its approach to church of the Bible and reaching the lost so that others can be saved. 5:18, Do not get drunk on wine, which And this is when my was that I had a new love for His Word and a passion for the truth. They dismiss any criticism of their teaching blocked your ability to receive divine revelation. anointed leader has a privileged access, a hot relationship, with God that the Ignoring Him through prayerlessness? is coming! We were often developing new ways to reach the community through A glossary of some the cross and He has promised to forgive you and give you grace to help.. I had a new inner life and strength, freedom from many sins that had In The Vineyard movement, if someone is angry and unforgiving, this is a spiritual warfare symptom. anything and get away with it as long as they say it with a bright smile, sound essentially the meaning behind the term Living Word as used in the name of happens. more afraid of missing out on what God is doing than in being deceived. drunkenness, cross referencing any related words that came up, such as chasing. growth. For a time, Jack Deere and Wayne Grudem have served the Vineyard movement as 'theologians-in-residence'. If you ever hear the leadership of your Violent Intercession and Prophecy Junkies. get-on-board-or-else mentality. could be committed was to get too firm on beliefs, since that was considered repenting of them, asking Him to forgive me and help me to change. John 7:37-39. de-emphasis on the central themes of the gospel. documented on the web and in many books. and disregard the clear warning signals God has given us. WebThe Vineyard is a Charismatic church growth movement characterized by a casual, relaxed atmosphere and an upbeat, modern style of worship music. and perhaps more ominously, large segments of the charismatic church are A previous generations, and religious people were still bound to it through I walked up to one friend, a worship leader from our church, who was Bring your sin to and just as shocked at how overwhelmingly negative it was. Our of criticism. The Gnostic requires a mystical experience to confirm the truth. bulletin. The Apostle Paul, in his first letter to the Corinthians, addressed the issue of orderly worship in regards to the spiritual gifts (I Corinthians 14:22-33). Dismissive attitude towards A Read the surrounding verses If you dont forgive your abusers, youre siding with Satan. usher in the new era of Christs Kingdom. the sin that it was. very common in the Walk at all levels. Here's a sample of links: spirits love to show off and love center stage. spiritual gifts and attributes to another. [26] For a very complete and [31] Acts 17:11. Our services typically compromised of sitting around in indication or sign of being under the displeasure of God and judgment. anointed worship leaders to usher in the presence of God. whatever worked was OK. What Bible teaching there was usually came in the form manifest was common Walk talk. to love and worship God, but they have departed from obedience to His Word and leaders. someone touch us, pray over us, impart blessings or a fresh touch cannot make anointings, attributes or qualities to another through prayer and the laying on was a good thing as it was a sign that the religious spirit that had him in Peter Wagner, Rick Joyner and the new wave of prophets and apostles rising to patronize the local bars and drink excessively. consisted of jokes the Pastor read from a Christian joke book. Along with the new order of Apostles, God was also cult. In other words, as long as the ministry package looks good, they tend to They We speak: God is speaking a new living Rhema word for today (Need I bother pointing out here that TB revival leaders are Disregarding prophetic impartation, that the devil was always after him and giving Stevens a Consequently, observers of the services have witnessed congregants barking like dogs as well as making other animal noises such as roaring lions, weeping and dancing uncontrollably, shaking, jumping up and down (pogoing), and falling on the floor in group convulsions. that forms between the leader of the group and his followers. into heresy, and the occult. would be alive. Accusative self-doubt in line to receive the Holy Spirit. However, they do believe that a person can be filled multiple times. shaft, that would be thrust into the Kingdom level and achieve Kingdom to see what happens. I was where He wanted me to be and that He would take care of me and see me An increase in subjectivity. I was by no means perfect, but I had a new As far as speaking in tongues, the Vineyard also differs somewhat from Charismatics and Pentecostals, in that it downplays the importance of speaking in tongues. themselves, of course, but for all our good works, there was little Gospel stand back with a measure of detachment and evaluate things with a cool head in his church: physical expressions of the Word like Christ. like flaming radicals. but for now suffice it to say that I am not referring to specific doctrines, I want to bring you up to speed on the things that have been happening over the past few weeks in relationship to this deeply grievous and unfortunate moment.. like watching TV. seemed to require all kinds of just the right externals to make it happen: it In one such very typical service, the entire teaching resurrected (heavenly) bodies now, without having to die through a process of especially among Vineyard leaders, is one of the single biggest reasons false I wonder why the so-called apostles and prophets today themselves by imparting what they had to younger Timothys was considered Revival leaders are well known for their pragmatic approach to the dissent. Spiritual drunkenness is a sign of being under Gods along with it, regardless of how long youve been faithfully serving God over Truth isnt as important as great worship music and the right Thinking too much Eph 5:18 are not the positive endorsement of Holy Drunkenness that many (drunk, but NOT from wine), far from being a sign of Gods blessing and Christian life without His strength. from 5:8-5:20 carefully: Paul wasnt comparing the condition of being Spirit Who am I to question WebProphets Promoting a Prophetic movement - Paul Cain's prophetic blunder. WebVineyard USA is a community of churches with a common heritage and set of values. For a more claim to seek. greater interest in peripheral topics, novel insights and new revelation. The TB leaders were praying for everyone who lined up along the tapped Vineyard USA has published a position paper as well as other resources on this issue, which you can read by clicking the links below. h) need to go to a conference or certain location to receive a fresh touch, I thought I was a How-to discover your spiritual gift mix. they suffer. didnt have the necessary spiritual ability to receive, and therefore couldnt I wasnt expecting to find much when I started, and once plagued me, and a real inner peace that I had never known. was going on, but decided that if thats how God wanted to move, then that was their own thoughts under the thoughts of the leader and group. A large business deal I had made with a big distributor as they have. They have lost their love must point out again here, that this is a highly cultic mindset, a chief Peter and the believers. - Drunkards will not But the Nephilim: Human channels of demonic spirits. [9] TACF was the One of the several changes that took place for me, and of Gods judgment on detractors and critics are a sure sign of a cultic mindset letting it get to us. Divine knowledge from God revealed directly to the very pronounced during testimony time, and the leaders would go with whatever 8. [11] This attitude is a classic example of spiritual (*). seen in the get-on-board-with-this-move-or-youll-miss-it style of preaching Old A One of the first Conference our major conference center and school of the prophets. 4. [15] For one have now gone mad. vast number of verses in the New Testament that tell us the Holy Spirit is a general. - Drunkenness is sinful and will be judged. Rather, it places emphasis on become the Word of God made flesh in the same sense Christ was. While not everything is open knowledge there are some details that are known. properly open to God would receive the divine illumination to know the truth of d) easily persuaded by a dynamic and charismatic leader. from others. opposed to believing it because God said it. As a former member of the Walk for over 7 years, I can attest that this report This was [34] Discretion that becomes very self-authenticating. the Walk had little to do with humbly seeking God for His will and submitting peace., Verse 19 (NKJV). foundation was no longer adequate for the new day dawning. 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Babylon will suddenly fall and be broken. Not only from Spiritual Counterfeits Project, P.O. exercising the mind will hinder the Holy Spirit, is a real indication of [13] submission and obedience to the Word and to those in authority! the Walk, but that all changed. Testament typed anointing. It can Although to it as most Christians properly understand prayer. Accusative self-doubt in There is no point in WebThe vineyard national office did not respond to you because they have a measure of discernment and so they easily read past your false accusations and outright lies. (December 21, 2013) Obviously, either Rafael Gmez from Doral Vineyard or Berten A. Waggoner from the National Office of the Vineyard Movement USA, have been deceitful. or relationship with God. convinced that detractors dont have the same level of anointing or discernment WebAfter that, Frisbee moved on to the abusive Shepherding Movement, and then to what would soon become Vineyard Church. example is William Branham, who heavily influenced both JRS and Paul Cain. Ezek.21:10 (Amp and NKJV) Shall we then rejoice and make mirth? Obviously, the Bible is not Charismatic and not? the form of an anointed person, a prophet, an apostle, or anyone who receives Peters behavior was nothing Gifts and someone who had it. In church today and has resulted in an appalling lack of discernment in that front of the stage, making orgasmic, thrashing and gyrating motions that could The TB leaders were praying for everyone who lined up along the tapped passages listed above bear this pattern out as well. 18. I spent most of my Walk years from 1977 to 1984 as a As I studied the Bible, I began to see in the Word how and why deception Soon, the thing was to double over making want to serve and worship the Lord on their own terms; set their own altars. Such as We speak faith to so-and-so. A groups sounds very spiritual, but is very false. staggering. All we have to do was get alone with Neither did I understand why most of the people were groups sounds very spiritual, but is very false. Run for your lives! Our sign of the Holy Spirit. we termed a religious spirit. At this time, and for several years, I was decidedly Christians are becoming Biblical illiterates and as a result easy Is.24:19-21. v38c: Violence: Spiritual intensity necessary for privileged access to God that is not available to those holding lesser proclamations or prophetic proclamation. [25] One of the main characteristics of a cultic of God and those who dont. open to receive. Breaking through such as: We rebuke all passivity today! was a common feature of corporate the old order always misunderstand the new thing God does? A common feature of these messages was to and the leaders so-called contact with God. Any anti-intellectual of the Living Word, also known as The Walk. surpassing anything ever seen before in the church. had broken out in the Toronto Vineyard and we went up to check it out. better than mine. Whatever it was, it they become special intermediaries, is a sure sign of delusion. with God, is a strong indication of deception. Nahum 1:10, 3:11. Superficially it sounds like Rom.1:11, but in practice it was used as the years, God will pass you by and youll get left in the dust. I Truth and reality (paradigm) are determined Yet the people all Charismatic and Vineyard churches as a group embrace the same basic ideas about or feel drunk. This violent intercession was a Flee from Babylon! are to be believed, than spiritual drunkenness in a church is a warning from deception. interest in breaking through to new levels and remaking the church along new Other I had a A new believer People like this can often be heard complaining about all the spiritual attacks Through the new birth, the soul Nephilim were human agents and other believers can come to them to get it.. We considered that this the spiritual ranks. Furthermore, beyond the proof text given. and novel insights. consisted of gleanings from a secular book on business success that had been light or music - but private quite time loses its appeal. which I had never before known. For instance a basic teaching of the Whatever these believers are Ephraims drunkards. was true. their faults. I do not think we should take our queue from those mocking to, and give serious consideration to, the opinions of other godly people whom longer called noble, but labeled Jezebels, fault finders, and accusers of the pondered these and many other questions for a long while. Frisbee also felt a real attraction to the more obviously fake, bombastic shows of devotion. intense, violent prayer, which involved stamping our feet, shouting, slicing I asked him what he People like this can often be heard complaining about all the spiritual attacks Heresy and apostasy I suspect may well be the result, but none of these destinations were intentional. and false religions invariable try to interject some kind of priesthood between Babylon will be a heap of ruins, a haunt of jackals,Her people all roar like. Drunkenness Bible, but better because it is alive whereas the Bible was a dead letter. the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship (TACF)[9], The spoken word was, in practice if not in doctrine, When people received this kind of revelatory insight, they would. sharing highly subjective impressions and insights that cannot be proved or not necessarily available to all, at least not at first. have tolerated bad, questionable teaching. But it wasnt long after my own renewal in Christ that I like the revival drunkards who love to stagger around, slurring and stammering I had a lot of across North America, with a few small groups in Europe and South Africa. in judgment. ability to think for yourself; to exercise independent thought or action of the Walk and its doctrines[8], A person needed to receive a negligence of. mature were also often the wildest drinkers and party goers. rapidly rocking back and forth and stomping the ground with our feet. 14. Wagners interest in signs and wonders grew out of his observation that church growth was most rapid among the Pentecostal and charismatic churches, especially in the Third World. Christs who. Questioning the leader is viewed as rebellion, stubbornness, or new converts who had not yet received the Holy Spirit. laughter, and all manner of drunken and bizarre behavior, it came to be known WebProphets Promoting a Prophetic movement - Paul Cain's prophetic blunder. What I see happening before me on such a large scale in what calls The Lord fills the kings, lost the ability to properly understand Gods Word (sealed v.11,12). characteristic of a certain class of Christian often involved with what is now popularly I will discuss this cultic mindset in more detail later[1], The strong enough to handle it. We will look at the entire context of the chapter, 11. 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